So, What’s Obama Going to Give Away to Conservative Religious Leaders and Constitutional Law Profs Who Work with Ken Starr??(Just Say No Deal)

I’m not one of the faith crowd, preferring quiet meditation and the study of Eastern philosophies.

So, it’s really off-putting to see Obama “reaching out” to the likes of a mega-church pastor and a pro-life consitutional law professor, namely mega-pastor TD Jakes and conservative Catholic constitutional lawyer Doug Kmiec.

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To quote David Brody of CBN (Christian Broadcasting Network):

This is one more example of how Obama is not just bringing in the ‘religious left’ into his coalition. He wants to bring in conservative figures, too.

If this were a meeting held by a strong, separation-of-church-and-state politican, I wouldn’t be so jittery. But Obama is no such thing. He is a panderer who’s chosen to brush off key groups of Democratic voters. It’s hard to trust his actions when it comes to meeting conservative religious figures.

T.D. Jakes, according to his website

… pastors what Christianity Today calls “one of America’s fastest growing mega-churches.” The Potter’s House, a multiracial, nondenominational church with 50-plus active outreach ministries, has dominated church growth records since its inception in 1996. In its almost 10-year existence, the church has grown from the 50 families that relocated with the Jakes family from West Virginia to Dallas to more than 30,000 members to-date. Rivaling many corporations, the ministry employs nearly 400 staff members, including full-time finance, human resources, information technology, materials distribution, public relations, publications and television production departments. The Potter’s House is fiscally sound, retiring within four years the financial debt incurred by the 191,000 square foot, $45 million sanctuary construction.

On a personal level, this rings alarm bells. A family member has dragged my relatives into a “non-denominational church” in NJ where it’s all about following a single personality. The church has grown to the point of building a huge facility that looks like a car dealership. They even offer “Christian counselling” for about $100 bucks an hour. Meanwhile, there seems to be very little “Jesus” in a lot of the activities that are ongoing, along with a remarkable lack of interest shown toward relatives who are not involved with the church. One could say that the “believers” have cut out those who don’t believe. It is quite disconcerting, to say the least.

Doug Kmiec should make any liberal nervous. He is a member of the faculty of Pepperdine University School of Law which, according to the Dean:

…is committed to the “highest standards of academic excellence and Christian values, where students are strengthened for lives of purpose, service, and leadership.”

And who is the Dean of Pepperdine’s School of Law? Remember KEN STARR?

Kmiec also has a highly visible political past:

Beyond the university setting, Kmiec served Presidents Ronald Reagan and George Bush during 1985-89 as constitutional legal counsel (Assistant Attorney General, Office of Legal Counsel, U.S. Department of Justice).

Somehow, this information doesn’t make me feel warm and fuzzy…

In a follow-up article on the Obama meeting, Brody writes:

That’s a big deal. A really big deal. The fact that these two conservative men are meeting with Obama may be a signal that Obama’s campaign is ready to break down the traditional wall of separation between conservatives and liberals when it comes to religious talk.

This meeting with Obama is made up of religious leaders from several denominations including Evangelicals, Mainline Protestants and Catholics. There are about 30 people there and these are leaders from Chicago and outside Chicago. Some in the meeting have shown their support for him. Others have not. I’m told that the meeting consisted of prayer as well and it lasted two hours. A campaign source tells me that besides Jakes and Kmiec, other religious leaders in the room today include Religious leaders include Rich Cizik with the conservative National Association of Evangelicals, best selling Christian author Max Lucado, Luis Cortes, Paul Corts, Cameron Strang, Bishop Phillip Cousin, Rev Stephen Thurston, Glenn Palmberg and Dr T Dewitt Smith. This campaign source tells me:

“Reaching out to the faith community is a priority for Barack Obama and will be a priority under an Obama Administration. This is one of several meetings he will have over the coming months with religious leaders.”

There may be a “wall” between the two groups, but there certainly has been dialogue with many inter-faith activities for years. So to build up Obama’s meetings as “a signal that Obama’s campaign is ready to BREAK DOWN the traditional wall” seems to me to be an indicator that more is going on here…that some influential conservative religious leaders are “in the tank” for Obama already and starting the sell to their large group of followers. I’ve read that in Washington state, fundamentalists were already on board during the primaries, so things have been cooking for quite awhile.

The question is…WHAT DEALS ARE GOING TO BE CUT, IF THEY HAVEN’T BEEN CUT ALREADY?

Is this going to be like Bush’s Faith office in the White House, which funneled tons of taxpayer money to religious groups??

I mean, first crack out of the barrel, Obama is in with the religious angle…I don’t see him rushing to talk to women, do you??

Brody and CBN seem to be really in the loop, because it was CBN that first reported the launching of Obama’s “Joshua Generation Project” in an exclusive by Brody on June 6 (.

The Brody File has learned that in the next two weeks Barack Obama’s campaign will unveil a major new program to attract younger Evangelicals and Catholics to their campaign.

It’s called the “Joshua Generation Project.” The name is based on the biblical story of how Joshua’s generation led the Israelites into the Promised Land.

A source close to the Obama campaign tells The Brody File the following:

“The Joshua Generation project will be the Obama campaign’s outreach to young people of faith. There’s unprecedented energy and excitement for Obama among young evangelicals and Catholics. The Joshua Generation project will tap into that excitement and provide young people of faith opportunities to stand up for their values and move the campaign forward.”

The official rollout won’t be for another two weeks or so, but The Brody File has been told the activities will include house parties, blogging, concerts and more.

This really creeps me out! My first thought on reading this was of those ads for Christian music CD’s that you see on TV–you know, the ones with young people waving their arms and looking like they are in a trance. Perfect. I bet we’ll see fainting again…More cultish behavior coming down the pike.

I swear, if I hear that the Promise Keepers are getting involved, I’ll be ready to flee the country.

As time goes on, I suppose the Obama blogs will embrace all this without a flicker of concern. I guess there are a lot of ways to practice “blind faith…”

Over at the BlackAgenda Report, the reporter was casting a different light on “self-proclaimed Joshua candidate” Obama back in April:

Barack Obama & Voter Supression: Where’s Joshua’s Horn When We Need It?

Self-proclaimed “Joshua generation” candidate Barack Obama launched his political career with a highly successful 1992 Chicago voter registration drive. But instead of barriers to ballot access on the part of minorities tumbling down on “Joshua’s” watch they are becoming higher. Where is Joshua’s trumpet on the erosion of voting rights, the legal sanctions and limitations placed upon present-day voter registration drives, and the wholesale ethnic cleansing of voter rolls?

I guess the writer of this observation isn’t one of those ready to fall into a trance when the music starts playing…

Just Say No Deal

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15 Responses

  1. Obama reaching out!
    Looks to be that Obama is already distracted from the issues and has something else in mind! 🙂
    http://goodtimepolitics.com/2008/06/11/actress-scarlett-johansson-regular-contact-with-barack-obama/

  2. If he is supposed to be the Messiah, is it not his job to bring the religions together–to worship him?

    Just plain creepy.

  3. I read this today and found it a little disturbing.

    From JohnMcCain.com:

    http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/95b18512-d5b6-456e-90a2-12028d71df58.htm

    Human Dignity and the Sanctity of Life

    Overturning Roe v. Wade

    John McCain believes Roe v. Wade is a flawed decision that must be overturned, and as president he will nominate judges who understand that courts should not be in the business of legislating from the bench.

    Constitutional balance would be restored by the reversal of Roe v. Wade, returning the abortion question to the individual states. The difficult issue of abortion should not be decided by judicial fiat.

    However, the reversal of Roe v. Wade represents only one step in the long path toward ending abortion….

  4. If you have time check out this story on the ABC Link at the bottom! Obama has many problems! What has became of our government?
    http://goodtimepolitics.com/2008/06/11/obama-helped-supporters-get-millions-of-dollars/

  5. Oops! Looks like Phoebe hit your blog too! Man, she’s been busy today!

  6. Maybe Phoebe could explain how Obama’s “strong, pro-Choice” record reconciles with his “reaching out” to those who are STRONGLY ANTI-Choice (or, to use their term, “pro-life”).
    I certainly can’t see any way that this little meeting of Obama’s will provide strong Supreme Court justices who will firmly uphold Roe v Wade.
    Then, again, Phoebe’s just a blind Obamabot who’s “reaching out” to Hillary supporters by SCARING THEM (just like the GOP has done with the terror issue in 2002 and gay marriage in 2004).

  7. Phoebe,
    No one is overturning Roe v Wade. This is a fact that has been spelled out by the majority on the supreme court. Change the majority you say, then what? Same fact. Even a majority who’s religion, like Roberts who is Catholic, would still not rescind Roe v Wade. Roberts clearly stated this and explained why.

    What they might do, and I would not scream about it, is to make it more difficult to have partial birth abortions, especially to insure that babies who are born, actually born alive, where there was an attempt at a partial birth abortion that failed, are given medical assistance, rather than to just allow them to die, which Obama callously would allow. He voted against legislation in the Illinois Senate that would insure this treatment. But how else would someone who thinks, in any terms, of a baby as a punishment, think. This is infanticide – literally – and is against international codes of medical ethics.

    McCain is no Bush. He was John Kerry’s first choice for running mate. Too many of us seem to forget that? Puma

  8. Phoebe,
    No one is overturning Roe v Wade. This is a fact that has been spelled out by the majority on the supreme court. Change the majority you say, then what? Same fact. Even a majority whose religion, like Roberts who is Catholic, would still not rescind Roe v Wade. Roberts clearly stated this and explained why.

    What they might do, and I would not scream about it, is to make it more difficult to have partial birth abortions, especially to insure that babies who are born, actually born alive, where there was an attempt at a partial birth abortion that failed, are given medical assistance, rather than to just allow them to die, which Obama callously would allow. He voted against legislation in the Illinois Senate that would insure this treatment. But how else would someone who thinks, in any terms, of a baby as a punishment, think? This is infanticide – literally – and is against international codes of medical ethics.

    McCain is no Bush. He was John Kerry’s first choice for running mate. Too many of us seem to forget that. Puma

  9. NOTE: I hear that Obama was going to vote for Roberts for the SC…but changed his mind when he was advised it wouln’t be “politically wise.”

    You can’t trust Obama on ANY issue at this point…

  10. There are many Americans they say that Obama can not be trusted anymore! That number is growing fast! Obama has used bad judgement in money and his friends in low places! I sure do not want to see him in charge of the Nuke button!

  11. Joe, could you explain how Barrack Obama thinks of babies as punishment? Why did Obama vote against that piece of legislation in the Illinois Senate?
    -Jesse Katrencik

  12. They’re taking advantage of the poor dumb folks of the dusty butt rascals. Unfortunately for them, they have underestimated us. The rascal majority is no longer uneducated and we are still not STUPID.

    You really are only young ONCE but you can be STUPID forever.

    But this religious thing has got to stop however it is happening at an unprecedent time.

    My friends, we are at a crossroad. We are at a time in our history where we can truly make a difference.

    We are not sheep and we do not follow however we are right . We are right and it is our time. We must grasp our values and we must do something that is our of our comfort zone.

    We must lead.

  13. sorry for the feaking typos

  14. […] If Obama succeeds in appealing to this group, he may very well win, even without older white women. That’s why it’s important to recruit for the PUMA movement, and to spread the word about Obama’s illegitimate selection, his history of legal maneuvering in campaigns, and his extremely weak record. And we should pay attention to issues that may have the benefit of alienating this group from Democrats, however distasteful, or dishonest, unless you’re okay with Christianists under the big tent. Personally, I’m not. […]

  15. It appears he is reaching out to fundies – he now wants to do the work of the lord – ahem – extend W’s faith based programs –
    at least one of the trade-offs that already came to light
    http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/doing-the-lords-work-with-tax-money/

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