On Being “Disagreeable”

~~By kenosha Marge

I seldom listen to anything Obama has to say, perhaps because he seldom has anything to say. Political rhetoric is not worth my time or effort. Spare me the high-flying phrases and simplify all our lives by saying something of substance.

We know this will not happen. What savvy politician would actually say something substantive when his adoring fans don’t require it from him? The adolescent mindset of a good share of our population annoys and at the same time scares the hell out of me. Is this what much of humanity has become, perpetual adolescents screaming for Elvis or the Beatles?

Since the Rick Warren controversy began there is no escaping what passes for an explanation from President-elect Barack Obama. His advertising agency phrase about being able to “disagree without being disagreeable”  is played endlessly on television. Perhaps because the big Zero is off in Hawaii on vacation and thus the poor, pathetic 24-hour news folks didn’t have anything else to run.

“Disagree without being disagreeable,”  for some reason that utterly puerile phrase, one among many, stuck in my craw. I wondered if the wordsmith extraordinaire Favreau took time out from groping cardboard cutouts to write that phase. Inquiring minds and all that.

I intend to be very disagreeable about Rick Warren. He is the happy face the Obama Administration has chosen to put on bigotry. Our lefty friends tell us he isn’t as bad as Falwell or Pat Robertson. Sorry,  lefty friends,  but I find it simply amazing that you now are willing to settle for someone who isn’t as bad as whoever. Not being as bad as is a sad little excuse not worthy of adults. Damn, there we are back at the adolescent mindset.

I have a new yardstick for what I find tolerable these days. I ask myself would I accept this Warren fellow if George Bush chose him? Would I find his folksy manner acceptable if he was the choice at a Republican Inauguration? In other words, would I be as accepting if we weren’t talking about a Democrat? Because if you are willing to make excuses for a Democrat that you wouldn’t make for a Republican then it’s not about choice or character or about bigotry so much as it is about partisanship. And hypocrisy.

Beneath the benevolent corpulence of Rick Warren beats the heart of a misogynistic, homophobic, creationist. Not someone you could believe would have a place of honor at the Inauguration of a Democratic President. Not someone you would expect liberals to embrace. Not someone acceptable to the progressive community.

Au contraire,  mes amis! Our lefty friends are working so hard to keep from being annoyed with PEBO that they are abandoning or ignoring every belief they ever had. PEBO wants to give a religious bigot a place of honor at his inauguration? Fine and dandy. He’s just trying to bring all those nasty fundamentalists that want to deny civil rights to other citizens on board the Soul Train. Women can board so long as they are submissive to their husbands. Gee whiz folks, sure lacks something I looked for in a progressive movement. Like progress maybe?

How about this from “Not Your Sweetie” about Rick Warren:   Women Obots in Shock: Warren Hates Women Too?

Take marriage. At his Saddleback Church, wifely submission is official doctrine: The church website tells women to defer to their husband’s “leadership” even when he’s wrong on important issues, such as finances

Never mind if she’s an accountant and he flunked long division, or if she wants to beef up the kids’ college fund and he wants to buy shares in the Brooklyn Bridge. The godly answer is supposed to be “yes, dear.” Is elevating this male chauvinist how President-elect Obama thanks women, who gave him more than half his votes?

According to PEBO and his suppine supporters we should all just hold hands with Regressive Religious Bigots like Warren because we can disagree without being disagreeable.

Maybe they can do so. I cannot. Some things in my creed are not subject to negotiation. I don’t choose to make nice with bigots. I don’t choose to play well with others when the others are smiling purveyors of evil.

In my world Rick Warren for all his bonhominie and pretense of being a good Christian is an evil man. I consider all bigots evil. Those that would restrict the civil rights of some citizens will always make my list of evildoers. A Democratic President-elect is honoring this man at his inauguration? I can find nothing in this fact to be agreeable about. I can find nothing hopeful in this. And so, I do not intend to be agreeable.

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15 Responses

  1. I don’t intend to be agreeable for four years..eight years..or impeachment. ..which ever comes first. I read that Rev. Warren is oprah’s favorite…is it possible that she has some influence on obama? If this man really wanted to be the kind of president he pretends he wants to be…wouldn’t he come across differently? obama gives the impression that he is better than we are.

  2. Welcome back, Marge! Extremely well said.

  3. Thanks Grail. I don’t do making nice very well. I more the pi$$ed off and ranting type.

    Although I do have a cute little story about a squirrel I’m working on…

  4. Check this out! A side by side comparison of Harriet Christian vs. Caroline Kennedy’s qualifications for U.S. Senate!

    You’ll LOVE IT!!!!!

    http://www.harrietchristian.net/

  5. I ask myself would I accept this Warren fellow if George Bush chose him? Would I find his folksy manner acceptable if he was the choice at a Republican Inauguration?

    I’ve asked myself that and the answer was “no.”

    I think “disagree without being disagreeable” really means “If you don’t like what I do, then that’s fine. Just keep it to yourself.” You might want to add that to your book of Obama/Obomabot to English translations.

  6. Hi Marge, right on spot as usual. I’ll be just as disagreeable as I like with these hypocrites and my opinion of listening to anything Obama has to say is the same as yours. His big deal of crashing the Marine’s Christmas dinner didn’t go over so well. I wish I could have read the minds of those G.I. Joes and Josephines when he strolled in with his “hi, guys”.
    I am waiting with much anticipation your story of the squirrel.

    IA. that chart is great !! The much ballyhooed desire of privacy that is attributed to Ms Kennedy/Schlossberg has gone by the wayside lately in her quest for the senate seat . She’s been infected with the bug and is practically begging for the nomination.

  7. I saw that, isn’t it a hoot?

    Here’s a cartoon I found amusing;
    http://news.yahoo.com/edcartoons/billschorr;_ylt=AujBfXEums9rZdut0gQE0uAxvTYC

  8. Not as bad as Dobson or Fawell? Are you kidding me? Rick Warren has the same views they have.

    I agree with you on the yardstick. If this same man had been associated with the Bush admin the screams would be never-ending.

    A homophobic, misogynistic, anti-choice, church leader associates with Obama? Then it’s just fine.

    The hypocrisy stinks.

  9. Marge – you go girl!

    I am so sick of continuing to be looked at as property by men! AAARRRGGGHHHHH!

    Ladies – I think they know they are about to lose just by the sheer numbers and are trying to brainwash as many women as possible to stay subservient.

    I drive my hubby nuts, but I continue to be disagreeable!! 🙂

  10. […] On Being “Disagreeable” (by kenosha Marge at InsightAnalytical) Since the Rick Warren controversy began there is no escaping what passes for an explanation from President-elect Barack Obama. His advertising agency phrase about being able to “disagree without being disagreeable”  is played endlessly on television… I intend to be very disagreeable about Rick Warren. He is the happy face the Obama Administration has chosen to put on bigotry… Beneath the benevolent corpulence of Rick Warren beats the heart of a misogynistic, homophobic, creationist. Not someone you could believe would have a place of honor at the Inauguration of a Democratic President. Not someone you would expect liberals to embrace. Not someone acceptable to the progressive community. Au contraire,  mes amis! Our lefty friends are working so hard to keep from being annoyed with PEBO that they are abandoning or ignoring every belief they ever had. […]

  11. My, my, Marge!!

    I couldn’t get past this sentence:
    “Our lefty friends are working so hard to keep from being annoyed with PEBO that they are abandoning or ignoring every belief they ever had. “

    Honestly, I think this is the best sentence EVAH!

    My own sister said that if the invitation had come from anyone else, it WOULD have been r@cist and bigoted. But because it was Obama, it was inclusive.

    I’ll go back to reading the rest of the post now…

  12. Marge,

    You obviously have a soft spot for the feathered & furry critters, but low tolerance for the two-legged kind (especially the political types). Nothing wrong with that!

  13. Grail, I have always loved animals. Still do. And cannot abide mistreatment of them in any way. Hell, I’ve even stopped watching Planet Earth because even Sigourney Weaver’s dulcet tones cannot make watching some poor creature devoured by some predator something that I can bear to watch. I know it happens, I just don’t want to watch a living creature killed.

    When it comes to people I have a very low tolerance for intolerance, stupidity and cruelty. I am not talking about people who genuinely do not have the capacity to think about things logically and honestly. I am talking about people who refuse to think about things logically and honestly. Mental laziness is a disease that is quickly becoming a national epidemic.

    People like Rick Warren are a plague upon the earth. They “preach” intolerance and the intolerant flock to them to have their intolerance and bigotry reinforced. I have no tolerance for the Rick Warrens and those who listen to him. I despise them for the hatred they perpetuate. Masking their bigotry as religion is particularly abhorrent to me.

    Other than that I’m a live and let live kind of gal. I just insist that they keep their misogyny, homophobia and creationism baloney out of my government. I really don’t care what stupid and backward ideas abide in their little enclaves of bigotry. Better they stay there together lest they infect what remains of a healthy population.

  14. Alas, I fear the infection has already become a pandemic.

    2008 will be remembered as the year that racism returned as a tour de force, that misogyny became a religion, and that intellectual laziness and intolerance were added as national values.

    We are almost at the dawn of a new year, but the waning one shall have a dark place in history. The foundation laid in 2008 will pave the way for the destruction of civilization as we know it unless we, the last bastion of freedom, wake up in time to reverse the tidal wave that is about to engulf us all. The worst part of it is that the new year brings no sense of relief at the end of this ghastly one.

  15. So very well said. And I could not agree more.

    There is no excuse that Obama can give… in my wildest imaginings… that would make this choice acceptable to me. NONE!

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