Hillary Clinton’s 2012 Domain Buy: A “Flow Chart” of Scenarios That Cross the Mind (With BIG UPDATE 1X re: PUMA/HRC DEBT); Update 2X

At least they’ve been crossing my mind…

OK, so we see reports like the one in the LA Times on July 19th about how Hillary Clinton has moved to buy a web domain with an interesting year attached to it (Hillary Clinton’s revealing purchase: A website called HRC2012). And, she had the “audacity of hope” to buy it on June 8th, the day after she suspended her campaign and spoke in support of Barack Obama.

In 2012 she can choose to run for the Senate again or run for President. Or she can run for both,  like Joe Lieberman did when he was running as Gore’s VP. (Bob Dole, who was Senate Majority Leader in 1996, is the only presidential contender who actually resigned his Senate seat after winning the primaries.) In Hillary Clinton’s case, you can expect hysteria if she chooses to run for Senate and President at the same time.  Good girls don’t do that sort of thing…

So, according to the pundits, it now seems that Clinton supporters can hold out hope for a Presidential run in 2012,

But is that the whole story?  My mind immediately created a “flow chart” of the possibilities that the buy conjures up.  Here goes:

1) The obvious. Clinton’s buy signals that she aims to keep a power base apart from Obama. See Nos. 3-6.

2) The timing is interesting. Not only was the buy made immediately after “surrendering” to Obama and the Party, it was followed by new Clinton Foundation initiative to cut the costs of malaria medications, with many stories in the media reminding the reader of Bill Clinton’s 2002 deal to slash the cost of HIV/AIDS meds…and the news of the domain buy was revealed just before Obama went off on this foreign adventure to APPEAR like a leader. Nothing like de-lurking at just the right time…

3) If HIllary that assumes McCain is going to win: His hint that he might be a one-term President, if it actually comes to pass,  opens up the race without an incumbent, so she can run against McCain’s VP or an upstart, where she could have a big advantage with her greater Senate experience and previous campaign dry-run.

  • Risk in this scenario–McCain picks either Carly Fiorini or Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska as his running mate. If McCain doesn’t complete his term, Hillary loses the chance to be the first woman President and, more importantly, the media revolts at the thought of having two women compete for the Presidency. Guess who will get tossed again to the bottom-feeding media?  Hillary Clinton, who may be forced to choose NOT to run if there is a woman VP already in the Oval Office.

4) If she assumes Obama is going to win and that he will be a lousy President: She is going on notice that she could run against HIM in 2012.  Then watch the cries of “She’s DIVISIVE” start again.  However, If Obama is a lousy President and people get fed up with him, she may get a lot of support for a move to bounce him back to Chicago.

5) If Obama’s past catches up with him: Rezko, Auchi, and any other ties to people who are or have been in trouble with the law may be brought to the fore–perhaps there will be a move by Republicans to impeach Obama, or, more likely, a constant effort to sully him for four years.  (Or maybe the FBI will drag him out of the White House in handcuffs! One can dream….) If he runs again, this may create an opening for a Clinton primary challenge

6) Or, perhaps something erupts before the Democratic Convention: Super delegates get even more wary, polls drop, money starts getting harder to find…well, the web buy makes sure that party poobahs know that Clinton is still interested in planning for the future and hasn’t gone off to redecorate her Senate office. And PUMA roars and shows up to make its case in person in Denver…

7) If a last minute switch doesn’t occur: Hillary uses her seat in the Senate to maintain and enhance her high profile. Perhaps she begins to outshine the flaccid Harry Reid, who reportedly doesn’t want her to ever to be Senate Majority Leader.  If that route is blocked perhaps she vies for a chairmanship of one of those high-profile committees she sits on.  Or, as either McCain or Obama send programs to Congress, she emerges as the new “maverick” or as the “voice of the people.”  Wouldn’t that be interesting to see her play that role against Obama and his butt-kissing of Republicans?  One thing to watch will be any debate on Social Security.  Bill Clinton rejected wholesale privatization of Social Security, preferring to have the system invest in the stock market, not individuals.  And, of course, there’s always healthcare to debate.  Any differences Hillary Clinton may have with Obama on these issues would provide a golden opportunity to show her leadership.

7) NEW ADDITION–If her debt is PAID OFF, then…who knows??  See below for UPDATE!

So, that’s where my mind’s wandering have taken me.  For some inexplicable reason, the thought of Obama being a GOOD President really hasn’t crossed my mind, not for once second.

If anybody has any other thoughts, please add them to the list!

PS–Irony of ironies….As I was finishing up this post and heading to the kitchen for dinner, I got a call from an older woman who was calling on behalf of…guess!  I politely stopped her immediately and informed her that she needn’t waste her energy and time because I wasn’t voting for Obama.  She said, “OH,” and got off the line.  I wonder if they are under orders not to bother trying to launch into their usual script, because she didn’t even attempt to bring up any issues that might be on a voter’s mind…dangerous territory for the caller, I guess, with a PUMA on the other end of the line!

UPDATE VIA EDGE OF FOREVER July 21, 2008

Email from Will Bowers

This kinda complicated, but here goes!

First, it looks as if we’ll only be given the June figures on July 20th (or July 21st). We won’t get the solid figures for July 1-4 until August 20th or so.

Secondly, different outfits are choosing to assess the debt differently. Some are counting only the campaign debt, and some are counting the campaign debt *plus* Hillary’s *personal* debt. It looks as if we’ll have definitely paid down the former, but it is unclear as to the latter.

There are those who want us to report her debt as still being high, so that they can continue to fundraise. And there are those who want us to know that her debt is almost paid off, to show that she is still a strong candidate for Convention.

As *I* see it (from what our sources have told us), her *campaign* debt should be in the black as of now. Even if it isn’t, the *good* news is that we’ve brought the DNC’s strong arm tactics into public light and scrutiny… so that they will now be hard pressed to use her debt against her in their attempt to keep her name from being placed into nomination.

I hope this helps better explain things, even as complicated as it may sound. If there are any other questions I can ask, please let me know.

Thanks!

Will

http://pumaparty.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1130&p=5894#p5894

UPDATE #2

I just unearthed a recent mailing of a “survey” from the DNC…(sent back with appropriate comments just now!)  I noticed, that while Obama’s operation is based in Chicago, the money is still going to Washington, D.C.  At least someone has had the good sense not to hand over the cash to a bank in Chicago, close to the Obama crowd…

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14 Responses

  1. I like to think it is because she will either GET the nomination, and the url is for her re-election in 2012. OR She knows McCain will win in 2008, and she can run again.

    I still believe. :O)

    I just know there is scoop out there on Obama, yet to be revealed. He is unelectable. And insiders are starting to believe it too, hence the VP deniers, and Superd switches. (i hope i hope i hope i hope)

    I love all of your scenarios!

  2. 4) If she assumes Obama is going to win and that he will be a lousy President: She is going on notice that she could run against HIM in 2012. Then watch the cries of “She’s DIVISIVE” start again. However, If Obama is a lousy President and people get fed up with him, she may get a lot of support for a move to bounce him back to Chicago.

    The psychic , Michelle Whitedove speaks about this and really I think the system would need 4 years of their love toy Barry, before they would LET Hillary
    make it work. If she got in now , the same crowd who shut her down ,would sandbag her every step of the way. Perhaps it has to get really bad before they let her lead . I just thank God for Hillary Clinton . It’s what I’ll be holding on to if Precious gets in .

  3. I want to ask Will Bowers. Now that we’ve brought their strongarm tactics into the sunlight, what indication have we seen that the DNC will recognize HRC as a nominee? Any word on them changing their tune?

  4. You forgot one possibility of the McCain single term. Hillary is his VP and the incumbent running for Prez. in 2012.

  5. New Hampster, it will never happen, but in a contrary sort of way, I would love to see it. Heads would explode! The Dem party leaders would get their treachery shoved right up into their faces. And McCain would probably win by a landslide as a result. However, I would bet the wingnut base would be up in arms.

  6. Four years is a long time, as we’ve seen with Bush. And he was so bad that people elected him (for the first time) in 2004 because he started it so he should end it.
    I don’t want Hillary2012, I want Hillary 2008, she must be our President NOW.
    Hillary is not VP material. She’s pure President material.

    AND, I believe Barack Hussein Obama is not even eligible to be President. He has yet to show an authentic birth Certificate. What is he hiding? Was someone born in Kenya, hmmm?

  7. Not sure if the site was actually reserved by her, friend or foe (there was another bogus registration for her in 2003 for POTUS she had to deny).
    To me the fact that Hillpac is back and there is that option for people to contribute fr 20012 tells me the debt is paid. Nothing more.

  8. The LA Times reported in the linked story that

    “The respected blogger Marc Ambinder of TheAtlantic.com is reporting tonight that a company associated with Clinton’s top advance team leaders, the Markham Group, purchased that domain name on June 8.”

    The Markham Group is based in Arkansas. One of the principals is Robert McLarty. This link describes his political activities:

    http://themarkhamgroup.net/pages/whoweare/robert_mclarty.html

    I suspect he may be related to Thomas “Mac” McClarty who was Clinton’s Chief of Staff at one point.

  9. I’m thrilled to hear her debt is gone, and the proof is out there. (She did say her loans to the campaign were her contribution to the cause) Now the Obama-nation can shut their traps. I have never heard of any losing primary candidate not getting on the first roll call, especially one who has so *many* delegates of their own. Watch….John Edwards has about 25 delegates, will his delegates vote for him when the first roll call arrives? Each has always spoken as well. Many still had campaign debts years later. Senator Clinton should be treated the same as any male candidate would. That is equality. Anything less is BS.

  10. Check out Bonnie Erbe’s article on “Obama’s Fundraising Hypocrisy”

    http://www.usnews.com/blogs/erbe/2008/7/21/

  11. Excellent analysis. I can’t think of a thing to add to the list. I hope that if the Supers don’t come to their senses, we won’t even have to bother with her fighting Obama in 2012, but instead, as you very insightfully put it, against McCain’s VP.

  12. Hillary would never agree to be McCain’s VP, just as McCain tuned down Kerry’ ‘s VP offer in 2004 . Where would McCain be if he agreed ? He’s be a bigger pile of political road kill than John Edwards even…..Hillary won’t not just cause she’s a Dem , but because she smart.

  13. Libby, on July 21st, 2008 at 4:43 pm Said:

    Hillary is not VP material. She’s pure President material

    Totally agree

  14. Cranky Crank Crank Crank Crank Crank! Cranky Crank Crank Crank Crank Crank!

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